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Frying Doom 2309	Posted - 2013.04.12 10:14:00 - [1] - Quote Malcanis wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: dark heartt wrote: Null needs representation at the moment. I don't live there and even I can see that. Hell I'm a "carebear" and I can see that. NULL has had overwelming representation the past 3 CSM's.... why's it now different then the last 3 years ( or does NULL need more representation every moment?) ? It sure didn't save us from Incarna When was the Incarna project started? (Hint, not during the last 3 CSMs) Oh and CSM 5 was hardly "overwhelmingly nullsec". When compared to CSM 7, I would say that it was. Not that that is really saying anything. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null.
Frying Doom 2309	Posted - 2013.04.12 10:21:00 - [2] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Oh, I almost forgot: and yet I want CCP to perform some tweaks (or as some tryhard sperg'll loudly whine about if given half a chance, nerfs, which will KILL HISEC/THE GAME (because, of course, any nerf to hisec will kill hisec/the game)) to hisec to pave the way for much more interesting gameplay changes in null. And let's not forget the sov system. And the POS reaction UI. Yes it is a well know fact that any idea voiced from Null sec will: Be bad for the game Cause people to unsub Give to much income to those people in Null sec Expand the big blue donut Kill the rainforest Murder the whales Send the Earth spiraling into the sun. So with these facts you can see why so many Hi-sec people vote, and why it is imperative more voices are heard. Like anyone that hasn't already voted or has decided not to vote, will read this Apathetic towards the forums and voting. We need a badge for the forums for people who don't vote, so we can get a year telling them "STFU, this is your fault. You didn't vote" Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null.
Frying Doom 2309	Posted - 2013.04.12 10:43:00 - [3] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: This is the last weekend of the CSM8 elections if you don't vote you are effectively the reason those that did vote will have more say then you did will. With the way game mechanics forces those in NULL to have to organize to survive means they'll have an overwelming organizational advatage even though the majority of Eve does live in HI SEC, then NULL then LO SEC then WH's ( I'm not sure but WH population may be overtaking lo soon if trends continue, guess we'll see what Dr E says @ Fanfest if the demographics are still the same or WH's have overtaken lo population after the FW nerf) . Voter apathy is part & parcel to the game mainly due to mechanics which naturally fragment the largest populations of EVE but still it doesn't have to mean CSM's votes have to only garner <20% of the electorate to vote. Do yourself a favor & vote even if its only for 1 or 2 slots & not the whole 14 slate. Made me giggle :) Unless somehow a large % of Eve players first bothered to visit these forums, then bothered to read your post, then bothered to read all about the CSM to see what its all about, then bothered to read up on each candidate and then finally decide to vote, it still most likely still wont make any difference and those who have alliance backing will still get their seat on the CSM They always have and always will. Always is a very long time. Anyway a massively Null dominated CSM that actually gets Null fixed would not be a bad thing as the trickle down effect, would also effect wormholes and Lo-sec. On top of that if Hi-sec got a few nerfs the apathetic bastards might vote next year, especially if they had the fact, it was their fault for not voting rubbed into their face for a year. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null.
Frying Doom 2309	Posted - 2013.04.12 10:44:00 - [4] - Quote Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: Lets face it: NOT VOTING IN CSM8 IS A VOTE FOR NULL SEC BLOCKS. I am confused. Where does that leave me? I voted and one of my choices was Malcanis and another was a member of the Goonswarm Federation. Obviously I am evil for voting for someone from the null sec block, especially the demonic Goonswarm, but would I have been less evil if I hadn't voted? Yes, your soul will burn in hell for all eternity but your eternal punishment will be less than what the apathetic get. Thank you for voting. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null.
Frying Doom 2309	Posted - 2013.04.12 11:11:00 - [5] - Quote Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote: Frying Doom wrote: Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: Lets face it: NOT VOTING IN CSM8 IS A VOTE FOR NULL SEC BLOCKS. I am confused. Where does that leave me? I voted and one of my choices was Malcanis and another was a member of the Goonswarm Federation. Obviously I am evil for voting for someone from the null sec block, especially the demonic Goonswarm, but would I have been less evil if I hadn't voted? Yes, your soul will burn in hell for all eternity but your eternal punishment will be less than what the apathetic get. Thank you for voting. If I am going to hell, I would prefer to get there on my own merits... or lack thereof. You are damned if you do or very damned if you don't. These are your own choices and therefore merits. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null.
Frying Doom 2309	Posted - 2013.04.12 11:14:00 - [6] - Quote knobber Jobbler wrote: Voting for null sec candidates doesn't mean bad things will happen, it actually means you're voting for people with a keen understand of game mechanics and will stop CCP doing bad things and hopefully get them to do good things like POS revision, income changes, ship balancing etc. Things that affect all areas of EVE. You guys should take off the tin foil hats and look at the candidates objectively and realise that historically speaking, apart from Darius III, null sec block candidates on the CSM have been a positive influence. Listen to the propaganda. It is a well known fact that Null CSM candidates sacrifice virgins at every Summit. Thankfully there are many of these to be found in another game, known as World of Virgins, sorry thats Warcraft. Besides this Null sec candidates would have to propose buffs to Hi-sec for the next 10 years just to make up for Darius III. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null.
Frying Doom 2311	Posted - 2013.04.12 23:36:00 - [7] - Quote Zhade Lezte wrote: Also the best way to stick it to the ~nullbears~ is to vote for Frying Doom's list, which totally doesn't have the five wormhole bloc candidates on top Look It is a well known fact that all those people not on my list are mentally unstable. Or are you going to tell me that Riverini is a great CSM candidate? So just vote the list. They are great. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null.
Frying Doom 2311	Posted - 2013.04.12 23:40:00 - [8] - Quote Varius Xeral wrote: Sorry about your hisec, bro. This is the year we take it all, so enjoy it while you can. I suggest arranging for your future nullsec serfdom now, as the terms will be a lot worse when the hammer falls and the mass exodus of carebears from the wastelands of nerfed hisec begins. They have no one to blame but them selves. Fancy supporting Null Sec overlords, then bitching about the result. If only they had followed my voting suggestions, Hi-sec would not get Nuked. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null.
Frying Doom 2317	Posted - 2013.04.13 10:35:00 - [9] - Quote Ai Shun wrote: RubyPorto wrote: And you expect yelling at the people who already read the forums is going to improve voter turnout, why? Have you seen the number of posters that say: "I don't want to vote for null-sec so I won't vote" or "I don't believe in the system so I won't vote - but give me WiS/FW/POS/PI/whatever or EVE will die" or something fairly similar? They don't understand how voting works Of course, this comment probably means I don't understand how their apathy / lack of interest works. Voter apathy is easy to understand. First say eh Then don't vote Next spend 12 months complaining that eve is changing in a way you don't like And threaten to unsub at every possible chance. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null.
Frying Doom 2317	Posted - 2013.04.13 12:24:00 - [10] - Quote Roime wrote: What were the ideas? I believe he is talking about this document http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1211/EVE_Online_Development_Strategy_%28CSM_Public%29.pdf Which were only ideas for how to release an expansion, not the ideas within it. They stated very clearly that these were just examples when they were taking flak. Well until CCP decided to do some work on POSs then the ideas were no longer examples apparently. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null.
Frying Doom 2317	Posted - 2013.04.13 12:35:00 - [11] - Quote August Sinclair wrote: Why do a bunch of robots need repesentation? So they can get the game changed to favor them and punish the meat bags. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null.
Frying Doom 2319	Posted - 2013.04.13 23:51:00 - [12] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: Chokichi Ozuwara wrote: DarthNefarius wrote: Voter apathy is part & parcel to the game mainly due to mechanics Voter apathy is because voting is for suckers. More like not voting is for slackers As I posted here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2880545#post2880545 Non-voting is the ultimate risk aversion, these people are so afraid that if they vote they will actually have to make a choice. As to their "right" to complain afterwards, I see no reason why they should be able to be included in the process after they have chosen to opt out. It is like refusing to enter a car race and then complaining that you are not winning. So to those that have chosen not to vote, you have also chosen to STFU for the next 12 months. It was after all your choice, so don't complain about it afterwards. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null.
Frying Doom 2319	Posted - 2013.04.14 00:22:00 - [13] - Quote archon o'v wrote: I dint vote because it would take everyone together in CMS to make right things happen so i let the dice roll with out the regret of choosing wrong rep. So in another words you didn't vote for fear of making the wrong decision. Just don't complain if the dice roll, ends up being what you don't want. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null.
Frying Doom 2320	Posted - 2013.04.14 00:44:00 - [14] - Quote Beekeeper Bob wrote: In order to engage the general population, CCP needs to understand their customer....... All CCP has to do is create an ingame voting interface, in stations, and they would triple the involvement in the voting process. CCP Xhagen wrote: I understand your argument, but I lean towards not changing my opinion - i.e. the CSM doesn't fit ingame. The CSM sits in the meta-game, channeling stuff into EVE and out from EVE. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null.
Frying Doom 2322	Posted - 2013.04.14 03:56:00 - [15] - Quote Lord Zim wrote: Katran Luftschreck wrote: Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything. I suppose even mentioning the words "T20" and "Aurora" counts as "rumor mongering" too? Might want to send your people to edit that wikipedia article then. Oh and be sure to send people in to burn down Kug's blog and stuff, too. hurr durr the voting is rigged band of developers 420 erryday No it is rigged, as the system counts the votes of only those who vote. I mean the horror Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null.
Frying Doom 2322	Posted - 2013.04.14 04:56:00 - [16] - Quote archon o'v wrote: Frying Doom wrote: archon o'v wrote: I dint vote because it would take everyone together in CMS to make right things happen so i let the dice roll with out the regret of choosing wrong rep. So in another words you didn't vote for fear of making the wrong decision. Just don't complain if the dice roll, ends up being what you don't want. you misinterpreted it wrong, I do not fear making wrong decision but each one has very little to bring to the table in terms what they cover as potential improvement, why you ask? all the candidates would have to put heir heads together for this to wok right, therefore, " i let the dice roll with out the regret of choosing wrong rep" So you are saying the candidates stink, so you are not voting. Did I get that right? They each have very little to offer? Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null.
Frying Doom 2339	Posted - 2013.04.16 06:36:00 - [17] - Quote Rain6639 wrote: I voted Mynnna 5x solely Mynnna 5x I love underdogs Well you completely threw your votes in the bin but the good news is you voted. Thank you for having supported for the players voice. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null.
Frying Doom 2339	Posted - 2013.04.16 06:37:00 - [18] - Quote Sethose Olderon wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Sethose Olderon wrote: I use to bother voting, but anymore the CSM is a joke. It's just another thing the "elites" retain for themselves, and forever deny to anyone else. No different than politics / politicians in real life... you say that like the ~elites~ are the only ones able to vote. perhaps if you went and voted they wouldn't have the CSM all to themselves. stop complaining about a "problem", when you're part of it. It's very hard to compete with block voting, when the personality cults fuel their mindless drones with bread and circuses, and instruct them in who they should vote for. Welcome to reality, it is the same in all elections. Vote Now! My recommendations are:-á 1.James Arget 2.Ayeson 3.Nathan Jameson 4.Cipreh 5.Chitsa Jason 6. Malcanis 7. Mike Azariah 8. Ripard Teg 9. Mangala Solaris 10. Ali Aras 11. Roc Wieler And remember not voting is the same as voting for Null.
Frying Doom 2412	Posted - 2013.04.27 11:10:00 - [19] - Quote Malcanis wrote: I'm sorry but there's no voting system that's going to work around the problem of not voting. http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/quebechistory/federal/repbypop.htm Representation by population, I personally do not like it but it does exist. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

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